Fine art photographers
January 8th, 2009
im doing a photography diplom course, only one month left, scary but our next project is of photographic fine art imaging, we must do a study, i will type it all so u can see where/understand what it all entails:
we must research and produce a body of work that explores the styles and working methods of key photographers working within a fine art tradition, whose work defines an era. the study shud take the form of a chronological progression of fine art photographers with whom you feel an infinity, and whose work resonates for you. the study shud examine choice of equipment, materials and exposure considerations &the factors affecting these decisions. this exporation shud reveal to you a context in which your work can be assimilated. you shud then chose 2 photographers, 1 historical and 1 contemporary & explore the conneections between these two photographers work and your own. you should be aware of historical and social contexts of the chose photographers and fine art movements to which they may be connected.
i know its kind of long, sory, but im findin this project really hard, i know ansel adams did mainly lanscape shot, i have one landscape shot but not like his, my photographs for this project are alot of experimenting with lights, almost painting with light but i dont know of any historical photographer that did this, i have also this shot of a bubble in a bath but its brown sea weed stuff and theres a hint of colour in it, i think this looks like fine art in my view, fine art can be very broad, its mainly having your opiniion on it and backing it up,
if anyone can PLEASE help me out with how to do this study, know of fine art photographers, please help,
thanks so much (",)
4. Let them spend time answering then ignore them.
Time to move on, sounds like a plan to me.
The issue has progressed beyond spelling and grammar. When advised that we are unable to understand her questions, the child had three options…
1. I guess they have a point. If I want to deal with adults, I really should learn to speak like an adult.
2. They’re being unfair but I really need this information so I’ll play their game and communicate their way with the hope that I can get a passing grade in class.
3. They’re idiots and I’m going to tell them so. They’ve got to learn to do things my way. It doesn’t matter that I’m shooting myself in the foot. I don't need their help. I don't need help from anyone.
She chose option #3.
1. I dont need to answer the question, Im a moderator... i moderate threads and try to rescue them from people who want to go into self indulgent ego rants.
2. I understood the question despite her not using the best english. I didn't answer becuase i chose option 2 of my options above, but not because i didn't get what she said, but becuase i thought it was a bit lazy of her to be asking the question in the first place. However i still found the willpower to not feel the need to give a smart arse comment or try to knock her in anyway.
3. I criticised the people that DIDN'T help, period.
Put simply, my first intervene to this this thread was to try and get everyone back on topic. If you want to question a mod you are welcome to pm me or one of the other mods. Quoting one of us and questioning it in public won't get you anywhere and will certainly get the thread locked.
skieur
What? i just said i didnt write the brief, it was my instructor, my literacy, sentence structure, grammar and language is perfect! I cant believe how rude ye are! I asked a question not to be given smart answers about my education etc, its a photography forum, so anyone who can help me out with my photography question, please do! thanks (",)
4. Let them spend time answering then ignore them.
I didnt ignore them, i said thanks to everyone that is answering my topic,
Thanks Helen. I am looking the ones you gave me at the moment.
What people are saying is that, if you wish to be taken seriously - and you are asking for help, you have to act as if you have a functional brain and are willing to use it.
Explain your problem and ask your question. Write in good sentence structure, correct your typos and don't try to push your mistakes onto other people.
And, by the way, tell your instructor that he or she is a moron.
What people are saying is that, if you wish to be taken seriously - and you are asking for help, you have to act as if you have a functional brain and are willing to use it.
Explain your problem and ask your question. Write in good sentence structure, correct your typos and don't try to push your mistakes onto other people.
And, by the way, tell your instructor that he or she is a moron.
Thanks, yeah i do, i made a couple of spelling mistakes and they have a heart attack! I didnt like that they try to make out I am not educated because of simple mistakes. A simple answer was all I wanted without smart comments. I dont think calling my instuctor a moron will do me any favours though. (",) Thanks
Oops.
Of course, there is a difference between an obvious typo and grammar and punctuation so atrocious the post is not decipherable. I'm thrilled helping others with photography but I'm not about to get a headache attempting to read through posts like that, especially from someone that alleges to be at least partially educated.
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:angry1::angry1::angry1:DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!!!!!!!!:angry1::angry1::angry1:
Especially when you don't like the answers people are giving you.
Thanks, its not homework, its a project. The answers I dont like are the ones about my few spelling mistakes. Some kind people have given me good answers.
Of course, there is a difference between an obvious typo and grammar and punctuation so atrocious the post is not decipherable. I'm thrilled helping others with photography but I'm not about to get a headache attempting to read through posts like that, especially from someone that alleges to be at least partially educated.
why did you ever comment in the first place if your just going to condemn, insult peole about education, making remarks in which you know nothing about??? why did ya oh sorry YOU bother leaving a reply, i never asked for smart comments,("decipherable why didnt you just say readable, understandable, clear") other people understand it!
Forgive me, but I will have to agree that the poor grammar displayed for an adult so near the completion of their education is somewhat disconcerting.
1. I guess they have a point. If I want to deal with adults, I really should learn to speak like an adult.
2. They’re being unfair but I really need this information so I’ll play their game and communicate their way with the hope that I can get a passing grade in class.
3. They’re idiots and I’m going to tell them so. They’ve got to learn to do things my way. It doesn’t matter that I’m shooting myself in the foot. I don't need their help. I don't need help from anyone.
She chose option #3.
And you also had 3 options.....
1. Understand that some people are not great at explaining themselves on forums or with written english and grammar, and although you had a hard time understanding her, you could still use your vast intellect to help her out.
2. Don't understand what she wrote (although its hardly japanese) so just choose to ignore this thread altogether rather than start an irrelevant conversation.
3. Don't understand what she wrote (again its hardly japanese) but just despite her, refuse to help in any way and instead make a big deal out of how she portrayed herself.
You chose 3... and fyi Hertz chose 1, although for you 2 would have been a fair choice too.
Of course, there is a difference between an obvious typo and grammar and punctuation so atrocious the post is not decipherable. I'm thrilled helping others with photography but I'm not about to get a headache attempting to read through posts like that, especially from someone that alleges to be at least partially educated.
Sorry the little guy with the horns on my left shoulder :evil: won the argument with the little guy on my right shoulder:bigangel:. I just couldn't resist. :lol::lol::lol:
...and she has the list of names I'd suggest, except she has a much more exhaustive list.
Sorry to beat this horse, but a photography forum does preclude people from having opinions on other aspects of life... like spelling, grammar, the lack thereof, and its subsequent reflection on the person communicating.
Forgive me, but I will have to agree that the poor grammar displayed for an adult so near the completion of their education is somewhat disconcerting.
Please dont lecture me on grammer, i never knew this was an english class!! also ones education is never completed, you learn something new everyday!! plus the study is word for word from my brief:
we must research and produce a body of work that explores the styles and working methods of key photographers working within a fine art tradition, whose work defines an era. the study should take the form of a chronological progression of fine art photographers with whom you feel an infinity, and whose work resonates for you. the study should examine choice of equipment, materials and exposure considerations and the factors affecting these decisions. this exporation shud reveal to you a context in which your work can be assimilated. you should then chose two photographers, one historical and one contemporary and explore the connections between these two photographers work and your own. you should be aware of historical and social contexts of the chosen photographers and fine art movements to which they may be connected.
anyone that can help me out on my PHOTOGRAPHY question, would be very welcome, Thanks very much (",)
Thanks for your reply, thanks i will look them up (",)
Interesting fact: a lot of people who go into the visual media have problems with communicating by written or verbal means and often have dyslexia. That is why they go into the visual arts - they find it an easier way to communicate.
During my many years of teaching I usually found that the most talented and creative people had trouble with language, even when it was their native tongue. Which is why I am always prepared to overlook spelling mistakes and bad grammar and not make my help conditional on the supplicant producing 'perfect' English. But then, I'm not a small-minded person.
Now, can we please stick to the topic in question? The fine art tradition in Photography I believe it was.
Thanks, yes lets keep with the topic in question, fine art photography (",)
Photographers deal in sections of time usually ranging from 1/8th to 1/8000ths of a second. As anyone is more comfortable with what they are used to, photographers are not the most patient group you will ever find.
Good luck,
mike
I rest my case.
oh my, so I didnt use a capital I, or I am or i forgot the a, i think any person would understand that i just forgot the a and who would care about a capital I, yer just sad people who read too much into the english language, from all the posts i have made everyone understands, my gosh, yer sad, ye really are! I rest my case, thats so immature, it really is.
Its a PHOTOGRAPHY forum guys!!! its just a question, if you dont know an answer then just leave it.
1. Understand that some people are not great at explaining themselves on forums or with written english and grammar, and although you had a hard time understanding her, you could still use your vast intellect to help her out.
2. Don't understand what she wrote (although its hardly japanese) so just choose to ignore this thread altogether rather than start an irrelevant conversation.
3. Don't understand what she wrote (again its hardly japanese) but just despite her, refuse to help in any way and instead make a big deal out of how she portrayed herself.
You chose 3... and fyi Hertz chose 1, although for you 2 would have been a fair choice too.
Actually, I made every effort to assist but I needed to understand the question.
You had three options...
1. Answer her question since your vast intellect made it possible for you to understand what I was unable to understand.
2. Ask her to rephrase the question because you're also having difficulty in understanding.
3. Criticize those that wanted to help but couldn't understand the question.
You chose #3.
When asking for help from complete strangers perhaps the more commonly accepted use of the American English language would be the more appropriate route to follow. Like it or not how you present yourself to others is a reflection on you. Especially when dealing with those that you do not know or know you.
Or perhaps you might submit your research paper written in "youth lingo" and see how it does.
I think ye have all forgotten that at the very start of this post i submitted my question in normal english and it was ye that started making comments on how it was written, i didnt write the brief, it was my instructor, its a photography forum so i dont get why your so critical of the english language, maybe ye should learn some respect for other users.
During my many years of teaching I usually found that the most talented and creative people had trouble with language, even when it was their native tongue. Which is why I am always prepared to overlook spelling mistakes and bad grammar and not make my help conditional on the supplicant producing 'perfect' English. But then, I'm not a small-minded person.
Now, can we please stick to the topic in question? The fine art tradition in Photography I believe it was.
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Although you are not 'small-minded', you did find an opportunity to characterize other respondents as small-minded. Perhaps that is just self-referential, self-aggrandizing and passive-aggressive behavior.
im doing a photography diplom course, only one month left, scary but our next project is of photographic fine art imaging, we must do a study, i will type it all so u can see where/understand what it all entails:
we must research and produce a body of work that explores the styles and working methods of key photographers working within a fine art tradition, whose work defines an era. the study shud take the form of a chronological progression of fine art photographers with whom you feel an infinity, and whose work resonates for you. the study shud examine choice of equipment, materials and exposure considerations &the factors affecting these decisions. this exporation shud reveal to you a context in which your work can be assimilated. you shud then chose 2 photographers, 1 historical and 1 contemporary & explore the conneections between these two photographers work and your own. you should be aware of historical and social contexts of the chose photographers and fine art movements to which they may be connected.
i know its kind of long, sory, but im findin this project really hard, i know ansel adams did mainly lanscape shot, i have one landscape shot but not like his, my photographs for this project are alot of experimenting with lights, almost painting with light but i dont know of any historical photographer that did this, i have also this shot of a bubble in a bath but its brown sea weed stuff and theres a hint of colour in it, i think this looks like fine art in my view, fine art can be very broad, its mainly having your opiniion on it and backing it up,
if anyone can PLEASE help me out with how to do this study, know of fine art photographers, please help,
thanks so much (",)
Perhaps you can try a bit of punctuation and grammar so that we can uncerstand you without getting a headache.
Time to move on, sounds like a plan to me.
we must research and produce a body of work that explores the styles and working methods of key photographers working within a fine art tradition, whose work defines an era. the study shud take the form of a chronological progression of fine art photographers with whom you feel an infinity, and whose work resonates for you. the study shud examine choice of equipment, materials and exposure considerations &the factors affecting these decisions. this exporation shud reveal to you a context in which your work can be assimilated. you shud then chose 2 photographers, 1 historical and 1 contemporary & explore the conneections between these two photographers work and your own. you should be aware of historical and social contexts of the chose photographers and fine art movements to which they may be connected.
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I have to agree with alot of the grammar comments but I will try to answer your question. My answer is below......
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:angry1::angry1::angry1:DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!!!!!!!!:angry1::angry1::angry1:
Especially when you don't like the answers people are giving you.
I can suggest some people to look at though:
Adolphe Braun; Robert Demachy; Frederick Holland Day; Edward Steichen; James Craig Annan; Frederick Evans; Man Ray; Albert Renger-Patzsch; Laszlo Moholy-Nagy; Jacques Henri Lartigue; Harry Callahan; Frantisek Drtikol; Carolee Schneemann; Lucas Samaras; Bill Brandt; Ralph Gibson; Joel-Peter Witkin; Les Krims; Holly Roberts; Hans Bellmer; Cindy Sherman.
There are a great many more but these should get you started and will also bring you into contact with other photographers that I have deliberately left out as well as some of the important movements like the Linked Ring.
I've just pulled out some who's work you may find interesting and stimulating (but be careful as some images can be hard to take - Witkin in particular). I have also left out those who do things like explore the 'artistic potential' of pornography or who incorporate bodily fluids in their pictures. You should find them yourself if you do thorough research.
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we must research and produce a body of work that explores the styles and working methods of key photographers working within a fine art tradition, whose work defines an era.
we must research and write a research paper that explores the styles and working methods of key photographers working within a fine art tradition, whose work defines an era.
the study shud take the form of a chronological progression of fine art photographers with whom you feel an infinity, and whose work resonates for you. the study shud examine choice of equipment, materials and exposure considerations &the factors affecting these decisions.Our research should explore the work of fine art photographers with whom we feel an affinity and whose work resonates with us. Our investigations should deal with the artists chronologically, examining their choice of equipment, materials, exposure considerations and the factors affecting their decisions.
this exporation shud reveal to you a context in which your work can be assimilated. I have no idea what the hell this means.
you shud then chose 2 photographers, 1 historical and 1 contemporary & explore the conneections between these two photographers work and your own. you should be aware of historical and social contexts of the chose photographers and fine art movements to which they may be connected.We must then choose two photographers, one historical and one contemporary and explore the connections between these two photographers' work and our own. We must discuss the historical and social contexts of the chosen photographers and any fine art movements to which they may be connected.
[If your instructor wrote any of the original stuff, your instructor needs a good slap.]
OP, is this what you mean?
It's a real shame because I wanted to help you with your photographic issue but you're unable to communicate. Actually, from your reaction, "unable" is not the correct word. Instead, I should say that you're "unwilling" to communicate.
With your PP attitude, you're facing a miserable future.
what does that mean!? ;)
Thanks, yeah language is changin every day, yeah i didnt write the grammer of the brief it was given to us from our teacher, i speak in youth lingo, im 21 so i wud type in quick form of mobile text language such as
like, lol, ya no, shud, wud,l8r, nd d like, so he shud really get with d times like, he prob dont know what it all means, wtf (",)
this is a photography forum, not a grammer/english forum!
From the original post.
im doing a photography diplom course, only one month left, scary but our next project is of photographic fine art imaging, we must do a study, i will type it all so u can see where/understand what it all entails:
I rest my case.
Why don't the others who gave positive answers get recognized for their contributions?
I am jealous.
Is Hertz the only favored faded academic here?
Of course, there is a difference between an obvious typo and grammar and punctuation so atrocious the post is not decipherable. I'm thrilled helping others with photography but I'm not about to get a headache attempting to read through posts like that, especially from someone that alleges to be at least partially educated.
Agreed.
Well perhaps you should consider it a life lesson. Youth lingo is fine in a casual setting with people who share the same friendships and use of that language. Understanding has more to do with the message than the words, it has to do with perception.
When asking for help from complete strangers perhaps the more commonly accepted use of the American English language would be the more appropriate route to follow. Like it or not how you present yourself to others is a reflection on you. Especially when dealing with those that you do not know or know you.
Or perhaps you might submit your research paper written in "youth lingo" and see how it does.
As I've already asked in your other thread: Who are the photographers, well-known or not, with whom you feel an affinity?
OK, some more words to Google:
Raymond Moore, Victor Burgin, John Hilliard, John Baldessari, Laura McPhee, Joel Sternfield, New Topographics, Robert Adams, Paul Hill, Thomas Joshua Cooper, Jem Southam, Hamish Fulton, Richard Long, Andy Goldsworthy, Robert Polidori, Candida Hofer, Lewis Balz, Ten.8, Alec Soth, Struan Gray, Aperture magazine, Creative Camera magazine, Bernd and Hilla Becher, Dusseldorf school, Peter Fraser, John X Berger, Gregory Crewdson, Tim Atherton, Richard Misrach, Adam Bartos, Esko Mannikko, Wolfgang Tillmans, Lawrence Beck, Barbara Bosworth, Katy Grannan, Wijnanda Deroo, Sze Tsung Leong...
Some galleries etc to Google for contemporary and historical work:
Charles Isaacs
Robert Mann
Sonnabend
Luisotti
Pace/MacGill
Fraenkel
Yancey Richardson
Yossi Milo
I hope that I have managed to spell all those names correctly so that you can Google them easily. My apologies for any misspelt words.
Look at rob91's work here, and make your own mind up (I know that you will).
Good luck,
Helen
Postscript
The cat and I discussed this over breakfast. She had chicken, I had bacon and eggs. She suggested that you do a shameless ripoff of Janet Malcolm's article Pink Roses. It's about Andrew Bush's excellent photos of Bonnettstown Hall near Kilkenny. It mentions Vermeer, Degas, Cartier-Bresson and Kertesz, so there's your high class historical connection. Part of the article is about how looking at older art, in a broad sense, educates one's gaze. It includes a sentence made from the purest gold:
"It has become increasingly clear, as more and more art photographs are thrust into the world, that the average art photograph is an exercise in futility, and that unless one is sublimely gifted one would do better to take snapshots, which are unfailingly interesting."
1. I guess they have a point. If I want to deal with adults, I really should learn to speak like an adult.
2. They’re being unfair but I really need this information so I’ll play their game and communicate their way with the hope that I can get a passing grade in class.
3. They’re idiots and I’m going to tell them so. They’ve got to learn to do things my way. It doesn’t matter that I’m shooting myself in the foot. I don't need their help. I don't need help from anyone.
She chose option #3.
FYI, you got ure grammer wrong Child, theres no child on here, only you it seems to be, I got help from other members, you cant seem to see that, who starts making up options? ones that arent true, thats so sad!
so I will have to agree with Arch, move on dude! lets get on with my photography issue, as I already said.
With your PP attitude, you're facing a miserable future.
Oh my, you sound very immature.You know nothing about me, i am well able and willing to communicate. You may notice that alot of people understand what i am talking about, thank you. I am facing a great future, i love photography. You had no intentions in answering the issue, if you did you wouldnt have brought up this grammer issue. I think this only reflects poorly on you, as your just basically a Bully, trying to bring down other people.
we must research and write a research paper that explores the styles and working methods of key photographers working within a fine art tradition, whose work defines an era.
Our research should explore the work of fine art photographers with whom we feel an affinity and whose work resonates with us. Our investigations should deal with the artists chronologically, examining their choice of equipment, materials, exposure considerations and the factors affecting their decisions.
I have no idea what the hell this means.
We must then choose two photographers, one historical and one contemporary and explore the connections between these two photographers' work and our own. We must discuss the historical and social contexts of the chosen photographers and any fine art movements to which they may be connected.
[If your instructor wrote any of the original stuff, your instructor needs a good slap.]
OP, is this what you mean?
yeah thats it exactly, yeah it was the instructor that wrote it and im getting the grief over it,
we must research and produce a body of work that explores the styles and working methods of key photographers working within a fine art tradition, whose work defines an era. the study should take the form of a chronological progression of fine art photographers with whom you feel an infinity, and whose work resonates for you. the study should examine choice of equipment, materials and exposure considerations and the factors affecting these decisions. this exporation shud reveal to you a context in which your work can be assimilated. you should then chose two photographers, one historical and one contemporary and explore the connections between these two photographers work and your own. you should be aware of historical and social contexts of the chosen photographers and fine art movements to which they may be connected.
anyone that can help me out on my PHOTOGRAPHY question, would be very welcome, Thanks very much (",)
Try basic literacy, sentence structure, grammar and language first or NO ONE will take you seriously in whatever you do, including photography!!!!
skieur
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